out here, somewhere, figuring it all out.
"So what do you guys think? Is Leno a closet homophobe or just some guy who tells crappy, easy jokes?"
Or maybe Mr. Whitty is simply too sensitive.
Actually I think it's a mixture of easy jokes, an overly sensitive homosexual, and an American public that, as a majority, still doesn't really know what to think about homosexuality as a whole.
I for one do not agree with homosexuality, however I have no hatred towards homosexuals themselves. [As a sidenote: I have many homosexual friends... they know my thoughts on the issue.]
I think that Leno should learn to come up with some more original material. But I also don't think we should hand the microphone to every individual who gets his/her feelings hurt but jokes.
Becasue, well, that's what they are folks - jokes. And I think that the American public is smart enough to know the difference between indepth reporting of a life decision such as homosexualty, and a 15 second stereotypical sound-byte from a comedian.
i agree that leno's jokes are easy - but beyond being easy, they are deliberately exclusionary. they slyly afford those bigoted audience members the chance to laugh at those they hate rather than having their supposed understanding of homosexuality challenged. they are most definitely not 'just jokes.'
also, i'm curious about your gay friends - have you -really- talked to them? have you told them your true feelings about their 'choice?'
as a gay man myself, i'm so perplexed when someone says they 'don't agree with homosexuality.' what don't you agree with? i don't agree with many homosexuals myself - the whole fauxhawk thing? bad idea. but to not agree with homosexuality? what does that mean?
it seems to be a subtle way for you to say that we've all chosen this life of persecution, marginalization, and immorality. it's a subtle way for you to say any abuse piled on us, be it offensive jokes, gay bashing, bullying at school, should not come as any shock to us because we decided to live our lives this way.
landon, i don't want to put you off - because i -really do- think you should talk to your gay friends some more. find our their stories, and find out about the pain of gay adolescence and coming of age. once you know more about it, and because i know you respect your friends, i'm sure you'll come to see the issue differently.
Joe they do know how I feel, I've explained my position many times. Also, I'll try not to turn this TV Squad comment into a "Gay vs Straight" post. Because it isn't that... I'm just trying to explain my stance.
Simply put (and it's your responsibilty to do research on this topic, because I simply cannot explain my entire situation through a tv blog comments section.)
I DO NOT believe homosexuality is a choice.
I DO believe that each individual is born with certain characteristics... some are more athletic, some are intellectuals, some have more homosexual feelings and tendancies.
I believe these tendancies are wrong due to the fact that homosexuality is not in line with God's teaching through the Bible.
(This is where everyone sighs, thinks I'm an idiot. This is also where you have read what I have to say, then do some research of your own.)
I believe that God is real because of what was fulfilled and testified through Jesus Christ. I believe that what Jesus Christ said is fact and can be trusted because he lived a perfect life, died, and was resurrected... thus conquering death. I believe these events happened because there were eyewitness accounts that have been documented on more than 5,000 pieces of paper, Egytian papyrus, lamb skin, etc. I believe these can be trusted for multiple scientific (yes.. factual) evidence.
HOWEVER... should you chose not to believ in God and claim to believe in a Darwinsim mode of thought... I've also got an
answer for you.
Darwinsim is "survival of the fittest"... which would make homosexuality a recessive gene... which means that said gene would have been killed-ff millions, if not billions of years ago.
So... not matter how you slice it, homosexuality either A) Doesn't exist (Darwinsim) or B) Exists, but must be dealt with like any other temptation (Creationism)
Let me say, however, that anyone who claims that "God hate gays" is wrong. God loves you ust as much as he loves me. No less... no more than he loves anyone else.
I know I'm gonna get ripped for this stance... but I don't care. Chances are, most of the people who don't believe in Christ have actualy never read the Bible... or any other religious/spiritual book for that matter.
Book to read:
The Case for Christ (written by an award-winning athiest who set-out to disprove Christ/God/etc then actually proved the existance of Christ/God/etc... and ended up becoming a Christian)
Ladi - To answer your question... I love my homosexual friends, but do not love the sin they struggle with.
Example: I love my uncle, but to not love his alchoholism.
thanks for your lengthy and detailed response - i guess it outlines the basic conflict between our camps: i will always feel it is my given right to pursue happiness in the orientation i've been genetically disposed to, and you will always feel that, while i have that right, i am acting against god's law.
should i jump into the darwinism bit? eh, why not! screw jay leno!
ok so, darwinism - that's a whole other conversation. i don't understand your logic that because it may or may not be a recessive gene, it 'doesn't exist.' recessive genes are only 'killed off' when they are selected, i.e. when something happens to specifically kill off all the gay people. and yet despite all of human history, despite disease and persecution, gay children continue to be born in small percentages in every culture and at every level of society. kinda makes you think there might be some purpose to it, doesn't it? (i actually have a theory about this purpose, but that's for another time)
i can't tell you how disappointing it is that you would equate a love i might feel for another human being with an addiction or vice like alcoholism. if you insist on seeing it as a 'crime against nature,' i hope you see it as a victimless crime. i hope you at -least- acknowledge that healthy gay relationships exist, and that being gay and living a worthy, dignified life are not mutually exclusive things. i suspect that you do acknowledge this, and this is why you are able to remain friends with your gay aquaintances.
anyway, you do seem like a cool guy. if you didn't, i wouldn't think it worth writing all this.
Glad you understand my view point... I understand and respect yours as well. I challange you to pick up 'The Case For Christ.' I'm not trying to "un-gay" you... simply challanging you (like I challanged myself) to understand just *why* the Bible is so important, and why it *can* be trusted.